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A newbie question maybe… I was having a browse around on the Area 51 robotics site and also a couple of the relevant questions in meta. I understand that not all the metrics are in the green, but isn’t eight years a pretty good indicator of survival tenacity? What needs to happen to launch the site, and is there a will to do so? How can newcomers help?

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This is a complex question that doesn't have a great answer - while Ben's answer does give some good explanations for how the system has worked in the past and it's worth considering and following that guidance - we've changed how and when we take sites out of beta in recent years and that's impacted many of our older sites.

For the longest time, the guidance was that a site had to have various metrics (the stats in Area 51 Ben cites), with the most important being 10 questions per day. We set this restriction because we thought about sites leaving beta as ones that should be very active rather than relatively slow at least in part to the fact that leaving beta meant a site would have the higher privilege levels of graduated sites.

We were also limited in how many sites could leave beta at any given time by the fact that "Graduation" was tied to having a site theme created for the site by our design team, which was something that was very difficult to keep up with for us. So back in 2015 we made a change - Graduation, site closure, and a clearer outlook on the health of SE sites

While we didn't remove the beta label from sites, we recognized that our practice of leaving sites in beta was having an impact and so we went to the effort of trying to help sites understand that being small was OK! That we wouldn't be closing a site down for being low-activity unless the moderation of the site started to fail.

Shortly after that discussion I (as a user, not staff) proposed the idea of separating site designs from graduation so that more sites could leave beta sooner without having to wait for artwork. This was discussed and then made into policy, so back in September 2015, we kicked a handful of sites out of beta without site designs.

In 2017 (still as a user) I asked a new question - Let's break up with "Graduation" and remove a bunch of "Beta" labels - essentially, proposing the idea that the CMs consider changing their way of determining when a site should leave beta.

After getting hired, I worked with some coworkers to consider a new site lifecycle that included removing sites from beta sooner, without considering their stats on Area 51 at all. While that project was cancelled before it was completed, we removed the beta label from 29 sites two years ago because we felt that seven years was too long to be in beta.

Now, we're on the cusp of making such a change again. In the next six months or so, I'm expecting that we'll be able to remove the beta label from most sites across the network because they are - as Robotics is - not really a "beta" site and we need to change our practices about keeping sites in a perpetual beta phase.

We'll have more on this in the coming months but I want you to know that we, as a team, don't see beta status as a detriment to any site - though we know many of the people using the sites do - and that's something we want to change. We don't really treat beta sites any differently than non-beta sites.

In the end, there's nothing that y'all have done or failed to do that's kept you in beta - it's on us and we're working to address it.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks Catija, I seem to remember that we were just the wrong side of the cut-off date last time, so it would be nice for that stigma to finally be removed, especially if we want to encourage people to move here from robotics forums. $\endgroup$
    – Mark Booth Mod
    Oct 18 at 14:32
  • $\begingroup$ Yup, checking the dates, we went into private beta 4 months too late. $\endgroup$
    – Mark Booth Mod
    Oct 18 at 15:47
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There are some good links in the comments, but to answer your question:

How can newcomers help?

The site stats on Area51 give a good indication of what needs to happen to graduate to a non-Beta site. So the best thing to do to help the site is to get engaged. Ask questions. Answer questions. Even if the question already has 1 or 2 answers, if you have something to add go for it. Encourage your robotics colleagues to join and participate. Spread the word and help build a community. Find old questions that don't have any answers and answer them. Close questions that don't belong here. You get the idea. :)

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I don't have much to add to Ben and Catija's answers, and things haven't changed substantially since my post in 2017.

We still don't have enough users with a high enough reputation to move to graduated site reputation requirements. We now have two 10k users (one of whom is a former moderator) but we still only have 8 (non-♦) users with 3k reputation, who would be able to cast ordinary close votes.

Full graduation would require us to be a much bigger site, with many more users, votes and much more activity.

We have already seen some sites be offered partial graduation path though, and while we missed out on the first round of beta tag removals, I'm glad to hear that a solution for other sites is in the works.

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Teaser: Take a deep breathe everyone... we might have some news soon...

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  • $\begingroup$ more comment than an answer I reckon. $\endgroup$
    – CroCo
    Nov 26 at 1:36
  • $\begingroup$ It's meta... I'm allowed ;) $\endgroup$
    – Andrew Mod
    Nov 26 at 21:44

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